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Dalai Lama’s Nazi Friends

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...Many of us tend to see Buddhism in a somewhat sanctimonious light; I've heard people say "there's never been a Buddhist holy war!", which isn't really accurate.

Anyway, here's an example of how anything, even the Dhamma, can be corrupted... This is food for thought, not an assertion of position by me.
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(excerpt from: Fascist Occultism and its Close Relationship to Buddhist Tantrism (www.american-buddha.com/fascis...lt.htm)

"Visionary fascism was, and indeed still is, exceptionally deeply fascinated by the Buddhocratic form of state. In the late thirties (as the various fascist systems bloomed in Europe and the whole world) Spencer Chapman, a traveler in Tibet, wrote that even in the days of the dictators one can only be amazed at what uncontested power the Dalai Lama possesses” (Chapman, 1940, p. 192). The idea of kingship of the world, the uniting of spiritual and secular power in a single person, the ideology of war in the Shambhala myth, the uncompromisingly androcentric orientation, the tantric vision of the feminine, the whole occult ambience and much more besides were specifically adopted by several fascist ideologists and welded together into an aggressive myth. As we shall soon see, entire fascist systems are based upon the adoption of Tibetan/tantric doctrines.

The Fourteenth Dalai Lama’s national socialist friends:

As depressing as it may be for the Nobel peace prize winner’s followers, there has been continuous contact between the Dalai Lama and the far right wing and former national socialists (Nazis). His close friendship with his German mentor, Heinrich Harrer has become the most well-known of these. It caused a small scandal in 1997-1998 when, after years of research, the Austrian journalist, Gerald Lehner, succeeded in making public Harrer’s “brown-shirt” (i.e., German fascist) past, which the latter had been able to keep secret for many years. Harrer is not just anybody. He is one of the best-known international authors and has sold over four million books in 57 languages (mostly about Tibet and the Fourteenth Dalai Lama).

The Austrian mountain climber and competition skier joined the SS on April 1, 1938 and in the same year received instructions to climb Nanga Parbat in the Himalayas after an official meeting with Adolf Hitler. Heinrich Himmler, himself most interested in occult phenomena is said by Harrer to have offered him a Tibet expedition. In 1942, the Reichsführer of the SS (Himmler) ordered the creation of the Sven Hedin Institut für Innerasienforschung [Sven Hedin Institute for Central Asian Research]. This educational establishment had combined esoteric, scientific, and racial studies goals. It was completely in this vein that Himmler was interested in occult doctrines from “mysterious Tibet”, and assumed — probably under the influence of theosophical ideas — that a “race with Nordic blood” existed there, oppressed by the English and Chinese, and waiting for their liberation by the Germans. Himmler’s “advisor”, reports the German magazine Spiegel, “… and the scientist Ernst Schäfer believed that Tibet was the cradle of humanity, the refuge of an ‘Aryan root race’, where a priestly caste had created a mysterious kingdom of Shambhala — decorated with the Buddhist symbol of the wheel of teaching, a swastika. In 1934 Schäfer set out on the first of two expeditions financed by the SS to track down remnants of the ‘Nordic intellectual’ nobility” (Spiegel, 16/1998, p. 111).

Dr. Ernst Schäfer, a specialist on Tibet and an ornithologist, was one of Himmler’s personal staff and in 1943 took over the scientific leadership of the notorious project, “Ahnenerbe” (‘ancestral inheritance’), primarily devoted to racial studies. His third research trip to the Himalayas was officially described as the “SS Schäfer Expedition” and was considered a huge success (Kater 1997, p. 80). Upon his return in August 1939, the scientist was presented with the SS skull ring and dagger of honor in recognition. Subsequently, the Reichsführer of the black corps (Himmler) had grand plans for his protégé: Schäfer was supposed to return to Tibet and “stir up the Tibetan army against the British/Indian troops” with a shock troop of 30 men (Kater, 1997, p. 212). The undertaking was, however, called off at Hitler’s direct order. In the years to follow, Schäfer instead built up the Sven Hedin Institute for Central Asian Research with great success, making it the largest division within the Ahnenerbe project.

But let us return to Heinrich Harrer. War broke out while he was still in India and the young German was interned by the British. It was not until 1944 that he was able to flee to Tibet with a comrade. Coincidence or fate led to his acting as the young Dalai Lama’s personal tutor until the early 50s, and teaching him about all the “wonders” of western civilization and introducing him to the English language as well. It is very likely that his lessons were tainted by the contemporary zeitgeist which had swept through Hitler’s Germany, and not by the British attitudes of the envoy Hugh Richardson, also present in Lhasa. This led in fact to some problems at the court of the young god-king and the English were not happy about his contact to Harrer. But there are nevertheless no grounds for describing the lessons the former SS member gave his “divine” pupil as fascist, particularly since they were primarily given after the end of the World War II. In 1952 His Holiness’s German “teacher “ returned to Europe.

The adaptation to film of Harrer’s autobiographic bestseller, Seven Years in Tibet, triggered an international protest. Since the famous traveler through Tibet had told director Jean Jacques Annaud nothing about his “brown-shirt” past, and this only became public knowledge after the film had been finished, Annaud felt pressured to introduce “corrections”. A remorseful Austrian was now shown, who begins his mountain-climbing career as a supporter of a regime accused of genocide and then, under the influence of the young Kundun and Tibetan Buddhism, reforms to become a “campaigner for human rights”. In the film, he says of the brutal Chinese: “Terrible — I dare not think about how I myself was once so intolerant “ (Stern 41/97, p. 24).

Reinhold Messner, the famous mountain climber, found such an admission of guilt from Hollywood’s dream factory difficult to understand. He spoke up, confirming that he had long known about Harrer’s political opinions. This man, he said had up until the present day still not learned anything, he still believed in the national socialist alpinist ideals. In contrast, the Dalai Lama’s brother, Gyalo Thondup, defended the former SS member with the tasteless argument that what the Chinese had done to the Tibetans was worse and more cruel than what the Nazis had done to the Jews.

It is a fact that Harrer — in his own account -- first turned against the Chinese invaders at the end of the fifties, after he had already left Tibet. There is not the slightest trace of a deep catharsis as depicted in Annaud’s film to be found in the German’s books. This was purely an invention of the director to avoid losing face before a world audience.

The journalist Gerhard Lehner also pursued a second lead: on September 13, 1994 eight veterans who had visited and reported from Tibet before 1950 met with the Dalai Lama in London. In a photo taken to record the occasion a second major SS figure can be seen beside Heinrich Harrer and directly behind the Kundun, Dr. Bruno Beger. Beger was the actual “expert” who pushed forward the racial studies research by Himmler’s Ahnenerbe project (Kater, 1997, p. 208). He too, like the Tibetan explorer Ernst Schäfer, was a member of Himmler’s personal staff. In 1939 he went to the Himalayas as a member of the SS Expedition. There he measured the skulls of more than 400 Tibetans in order to investigate a possible relationship between the Tibetan and Aryan ‘races’. In 1943, Beger was sent to Auschwitz where he took the measurements of 150 mainly Jewish prisoners. These were later killed and added to a collection of skeletons. In 1971 Beger appeared in a German court and was sentenced to three years imprisonment on probation for his national socialist crimes.

The racialist, who was the last survivor of the “SS Schäfer Expedition” (dying in 1998), met His Holiness the Fourteenth Dalai Lama at least five times (in 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, and 1994). The meetings were all very hearty affairs. The former SS member dedicated a small brochure entitled “My Encounters with the Ocean of Knowledge” to the first three (Beger, 1986).

The Dalai Lama (worshipped by his followers as the “Ocean of Wisdom” because of his “omniscience”) claims not to have been informed about his Nazi friends’ past. One may well believe this, yet he has not distanced himself from them since their exposure. His statements about Adolf Hitler and the “final solution to the question of the Jews” also seem strange. Just like his brother, Gyalo Thondup, he sees the dictator as a more noble figure than the Chinese occupiers of Tibet: “In 1959, in Lhasa, the Chinese shot Tibetan families from aeroplanes with machine guns. Systematic destruction in the name of liberation against the tyranny of the Dalai Lama! Hu, Hu, Hu! In Hitler's case he was more honest. In concentration camps he made it clear he intended to exterminate the Jews. With the Chinese they called us their brothers! Big brother bullying little brother! Hu, Hu, Hu! It’s less honest, I think.” (Daily Telegraph, August 15, 1998)..."

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  • Re: Dalai Lama’s Nazi Friends

    Wed, May 11, 2005 - 11:07 PM
    The piece you linked has some very interesting thoughts on so and so trying to control so and so, and so and so secretly controlling so and so. Not surprising from an Illuminati web site I guess. But it omits the basic views held by Tibetan Buddhists entirely, which would be pretty relevant to their presentation.

    From a Tibetan Buddhist view I believe, Hilter was once your mother. And so was every Nazi and every Jew, each person was your mother and your child often in our endless rebirths. All of us have been cycling in samsara together, killing each other and being killed by each other as well as nurturing and suckling each other for countless eons. We have been stuck in the suffering of the desire realm as humans, as animals, as gods and demigods, as hell beings. But there is a path that leads to the cessation of suffering, and it's for all sentient beings: even Nazis if they are lucky enough to be reborn with the right conditions to hear the dharma (dhamma if you prefer) and practice it. This according to the Tibetan view at least.

    In fact, Tibetan Buddhists like His Holiness take a vow that they will stay in samsara until all sentient beings find liberation from suffering - including Hitler and the Nazis and the Chinese soldiers who lined them up and shot them in firing squads and from airplanes.

    So given that view, I'm not sure how this article describes corruption of the dharma. Unless what you mean is that the symbols of the dharma (like the swastika) and the mythology and cosmology of Buddhist traditions can be usurped by Nazi's and others for their own samsaric, confused desires. But that happens to every tradition and isn't the traditions "fault", simply the way confused humans further their ego clinging. Nothing surprising there.
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      Re: Dalai Lama’s Nazi Friends

      Thu, May 12, 2005 - 10:11 AM
      You're absolutely right about the Boddhisatva vow; in that sense, compassion should be absolute, for all sentient life forms, Nazi and otherwise.

      Rather, the items I'd call attention to are 1) the *misappropriation* of elements of Buddhist traditions which are used to do tremendous harm, ideologically and literally, and 2) the implied ideological sympathy of the Dalai Lama implied in this passage: "His statements about Adolf Hitler and the “final solution to the question of the Jews” also seem strange".
      • Re: Dalai Lama’s Nazi Friends

        Thu, May 12, 2005 - 11:15 PM
        Well for me the vow is much more an aspiration, not sure I'll make it to absolute compassion in this lifetime. :)

        Thanks for bringing all this up. These are really good points and I'm enjoying talking about this.

        Personally I wouldn't call misappropriation a form of corruption, unless you mistake the misappropriated result as a form of Buddhism. If we would consider the Nazi's a Buddhist form, then we could call it corrupt. But I doubt we would call it Buddhist.

        I didn't read any ideological sympathy implied in the quote comparing whether China or the Nazi's actions were more evil. Some lineages of Tibet are known for debating anything and everything. Definitely a tactless comparison to my ears, but it doesn't surprise me that monks would have no qualms about comparing the relative evilness of any two events in history.

        But that said I think you could definitely compare fascism to feudal structures in Tibet. But the view of why strict hierarchy is beneficial might be different. If you had the view that a high lama was trained since a very young age to be a benevolent king with clear insight - his entire life told that his role in life was for the benefit of others - then the outcome is maybe different than the power structures in Europe. But I could be wrong there: European nobility and knights may have similarly held a view that they were the best and brightest and in power primarily for the benefit of the greater good and not their own self-cherishing. I grew up with some of that from European mythology like King Arthur. Some Tibetans I thing would argue that democracy is simply giving power to those that are most stuck in samsara and therefore foolish, better to empower those with a higher view and who have benefited from more spiritual training. But who gets that opportunity and training is another issue for sure.
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          Re: Dalai Lama’s Nazi Friends

          Mon, May 23, 2005 - 12:51 PM
          It seems extremely telling that when I attempt to click on the link you have posted, I get a picture of a baby flipping me the bird. Nonetheless, I am going to reply to this article on its own terms, despite the fact that it was clearly written in an incendiary tone.

          The Dalai Lama has been a world leader since he was discovered at the age of 4 or 5. He knows many thousads of people. The fact that one of his friends was a Nazi when the Dalai Lama was 10 years old says nothing about the Dalai Lama, Tibetan Buddhism, or Tantra.

          I for one think comparisons between the Chinese invasion of Tibet and Nazi Germany are not unwarranted. Third-party observers (Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International) frequently report on the systematic attempts by the Chinese government to eradicate Tibetan culture, identity, language, religion, history, and tradition. Fully one-sixth of the estimated Tibetan population has died as a direct cause of the Chinese invasion and occupation - more than a million people.

          The dig about the Dalai Lama's reputed omniscience - something he himself has consistently denied - gives good indication of the general "let's take down the icon" tone behnd this piece.
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            Re: Dalai Lama’s Nazi Friends

            Wed, May 25, 2005 - 11:09 AM
            There's definitely an undertone of sniping iconoclasm in this piece, as is common among Leftist-oriented folks w/ extreme worldviews (i.e. the author of the article).
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              Re: Dalai Lama’s Nazi Friends

              Wed, May 25, 2005 - 11:56 PM
              Exellent use of the word "iconoclasm". I'm giving you a little gold star. When you fill up this row, I'll take you to Chucky-Cheese!

              :-)
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    Re: Dalai Lama’s Nazi Friends

    Wed, May 25, 2005 - 11:38 PM
    Who cares. What is it your trying to do with this post? Did you think you were enlightening us? Don't mistake my responce for be being insulted. I honestly mean it when I say to you... Who the fuck cares?

    I don't.
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      Re: Dalai Lama’s Nazi Friends

      Wed, May 25, 2005 - 11:53 PM
      This comes accross too cross now that I read it.
      I fully understand and accept the limitations of anything organized by men. And clearly other religeons have done a bang-up job showing us this, such as the Christians, and the Confusious Taoists of the main land, etc. etc. And if there is some secret scandle that can show or prove that the Dali Lama's message is leading people away from enlightenment... I think it shoule be shouted to all who will hear. But I don't see that here.

      So what I meant was, "Who cares about this shit?" I once started talking to my friend (Theravadan Monk) about how this one Mahayanist teacher who is coming to Portland is a little hard to understand and tends to repeat himself... and he scowled at me. Then rolled his eyes. Later, after talking to him about it, I came to understand that I was just blabbering. (I love blabbering in the name of humor) I was just saying something negative about a member of the sanga for no real reason. Had I told my friend Adi that I felt this monk was stearing me away from Buddhism or correct views, he probably would have listened intently... but it was clear that I was just making idle chatter. He's learned to put up with my constant idle chatter because he's patient with me, but it's different when you put down the sanga.

      OK, having said all that... say what you will. I do not condem you. I just read your post and kinda felt like.... Oh big fucken deal. Who cares? Hoestly, who realy cares? Does this change anything? Maybe I'm way off here.


      -Curt
  • Israel's Chief Rabbi betrays Jerusalem

    Fri, March 3, 2006 - 8:50 AM
    Israel's Chief Rabbi petitions representatives of the world's religions to establish a United Nations in Jerusalem, representing religions instead of nations, like the UN currently based in New York, starting with the Dalai Lama.

    Israel's Chief Rabbi Invites Foreign Occupation
    ezinearticles.com/
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      Re: Israel's Chief Rabbi betrays Jerusalem

      Fri, March 3, 2006 - 12:30 PM
      The Nazi's were interested in all kinds of scholastic enterprizes to permote their mytho-arian racist beliefs. A friend of mine who is a Classical Scholar said, as an aside, that many Classicists were old Nazi's. So I assume that European Scholarly Institutions must have had alot of re-examining and shaking out to do after the Second World War.
      Before that War there were many Nazi sympathisers here in the USA, I'm not sure how far we got in calling their cookies.
      Tibet was an isolated Theocracy and the cultural devide between them and us was, and in some instances, still is a big gulf. I do not mean that in any negative sense. It's a principal in the science of Ethnology, Anthropology, and so on, not to paste personal cultural values on the culture you study. It's what a Prof of Botony said was an ettelogical view of the subject, your assigning your views or motives on persons, plants, or subjects that are independant of you. Bending hypothetical heresay to the Dalai Lama's Nazi past (as if that's a given).
  • Re: Dalai Lama’s Nazi Friends

    Fri, November 26, 2010 - 8:07 AM
    Personally I think the post is not "Food for Thought" but rather "undigested Thoughts".

    The author compiles from different (sometimes dubious) sources and offers a mix which implies there could be something wrong with Tibetan Buddhism or suggesting there would be a relation between Tibetan Buddhism and fascism and even the nazis—even if this is not said directly.

    To establish the facts correctly:
    1. There is a tremendous amount of myths and wrong statements about the so called and non-existent "Nazi Tibet Connection." If one fishes in those muddy waters some of the mud might stick to the reader, but this is not the fault of the Tibetans but the reader and those who propound such falsities.
    2. Though some Nazis indeed showed interest in Tibet and some Nazis with a lot of fantasy see a connection between them and the Tibetans and even the Dalai Lama, these ideas are their ideas, these ideas are not shared by Tibetans and most of them do not even know about their existence. So one should not mix Western confusion of some Nazis with what the Tibetans think.
    3. The official title of the Schäfer expedition was not “SS Schäfer Expedition” but “Deutsche Tibet Expedition Ernst Schäfer.”
    4. It is wrong to say that the SS financed this expedition—which btw was a scientific expedition, though Himmler tried to use it for his own purposes. Reliable research show that Schäfer, a Zoologist with a PhD, "raised the funds of his expedition by his own efforts, albeit with the support of the “Ahnenerbe.” He received the sum of 30,000 Reichsmark (RM) from the DFG.76 The final statement dated November 15, 1940, shows that the Public Relations and Advertising Council of German Business (Werberat der deutschen Wirtschaft) made the largest contribution, of RM 46,000. In return for supplying reports for the newspapers Völkischer Beobachter and the Illustrierter Beobachter, their publisher Eher Verlag paid the sum of RM 20,000; RM 7,000 came from the Foreign Office, and a further RM 6,500 from private donors including Brooke Dolan. The costs totaled RM 112,111, of which the greatest expenditure, RM 12,119, was to be for the ethnographic collection. Only the contribution from Himmler’s “circle of friends” was the financing of part of the hasty return flight from India—the leg from Bagdad to Berlin—as the outbreak of war became imminent." (Engelhardt 2008: 77)
    5. Harrer was a member of the SS, this is true, but this was unknown until 1997, and unlike what the sensation seeking press wrongly claimed, Harrer was in no was an evil Nazi. Researcher Brauen (see: "Dreamworld Tibet", 2005) makes clear that Harrer was not involved in any war crime, and this his diaries (which are not available for the public) indicate in no way that he had racist or anti-Semitic ideas. He says: (freely translated): "In no passage of his diaries ... there is a passage which indicates him to be a National Socialist." Brauen states that Harrer could be portrayed as an opportunist but not that type of convinced Nazi the press wrongly portrayed him.
    6. Harrer met the Dalai Lama after the war in Spring 1950 and their contact ceased about October 1950. The "teaching period" of Harrer to the Dalai Lama was mainly in June-August 1950. All assumptions he could have influenced the Dalai Lama with Nazi ideology are unproven and very unlikely assumptions of some conspiracy theorists.
    7. Since the Dalai Lama has no Nazi concordant ideas there is no need for him to distance from these. One should also not fish in the muddy waters of the Shambala Myth conspiracy theorists without understanding its background properly. As a start see Berzin's "Holy Wars in Buddhism and Islam: The Myth of Shambhala": www.berzinarchives.com/web/x/...11.html
    8. Since Harrer is a human being who had not expressed Nazi ideology there is no need for the Dalai Lams to distance from him or these assumed Nazi ideas some imply to Harrer.
    9. The Beger issue is a bit more complex. That he was invited was just to a lack of knowledge of his background. But one should also think about the fact that there is no need for a holy being to reject people who have a dubious past; to do so might be the policy of "political correctness" but not of a Bodhisattva or one who follows the Bodhisattva's ideal.

    Someone suggested in the discussion of this issue the German saying: "Show me your friends and I tell you who you are."—of course he meant, if the Dalai Lama has Nazis as friends he must be somewhat wrong or even a Nazi himself.
    If among the thousands of contacts the Dalai Lama has 2-4 are with respect to some former Nazis* taking to mind that the Dalai Lama has a lot of Jews as friends too, he must be either confused or a holy being. It is common for holy beings that they do not care too much about the past of humans but do what ever they can to help them. And it is also the case that a Bodhisattva or a holy being does not abandon any being, this is his vow—as it was pointed out already.

    *It might be good to understand too that quite a lot of Germans and non-Germans were Nazis and there were a lot people who were members of the SS (due to different reasons and among them outstanding persons like the German writer Gunther Grass who also kept this issue secret as Harrer did), and if they were not opportunists or did this due to support their career but because they were convinced Nazis, those people might have changed too after the war, and if not they are an object of compassion as every body else is. There is a underlying axiom here: Once a Nazi, forever a Nazi—which of course is quite simplistic.

    The problem I see with this article which is meant as "Food For Thought" is, that it rides on wrong assertions and the theories of some pseudo-historians and conspiracy theorists and that it includes untruths and exaggerates events. For a Buddhist forum I feel this to be inappropriate but it could be that the background is just too complex to be grasped by a non-historian who lacks the understanding of the complex background and the prevailing myths spread all over the internet, news and dubious publications.

    For a more reliable approach, which can be found online, I can recommend Jigme Dungtak's article:
    tibettalk.wordpress.com/2009/1...-tibet/

    However, without respected academic sources (e.g. Engelhardt, Brauen etc) one will continue to paddle in the muddy waters of pseudo-historians and this is not Food For Though but Food For Delusions or just undigested ideas...
    • Re: Dalai Lama’s Nazi Friends

      Fri, November 26, 2010 - 9:15 AM
      I forgot to point out another myth in the post above, that the Dalai Lamas are / were able to administrate unlimited power. Actual Sobisch, a researcher from Hamburg University, states if all the years of the Dalai Lamas were counted together in which they had full power it were not more than about 45 years.

      The powers were shared in Tibet and the Dalai Lamas had to struggle with opponents from within Tibet and outside Tibet, the history of Tibet is by far more complex then those simplistic myths suggest.
      • Re: Dalai Lama’s Nazi Friends

        Fri, November 26, 2010 - 9:29 AM
        Another myth that some unconsciously perpetuate is that the Dalai Lama is somehow the 'pope' of all Buddhism. Even the Roman Catholic Pope is not 'ruler' of all Christianity. I respect much of what the current Dalai Lama does but I do not follow that flavor of Buddhism.
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          Re: Dalai Lama’s Nazi Friends

          Fri, November 26, 2010 - 1:03 PM
          the idea that bodhisattva vow somehow helps anyone is a misunderstanding.
          if you yourself maintain karmic imbalance you are not helping...
          been there, done that!
          • Re: Dalai Lama’s Nazi Friends

            Fri, November 26, 2010 - 1:08 PM
            Would you mind correlating to what I had said? Or is this not actually a reply to my post?
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              Re: Dalai Lama’s Nazi Friends

              Fri, November 26, 2010 - 1:37 PM
              the post wasn't a direct reply to yours, no.. but i can co-relate it, yes.

              we are talking about 'power', 'hierarchy', 'dominance' and so on.. hence your mention of the idea of a 'pope' type 'ruler'.

              if all were balanced then there could not be any suggestion that this type of ruler idea were even possible.
              part of why all are not balanced is because of ascribing to religious beliefs and religious 'leaders' (the phrase 'know it alls' fits).

              in other words, 'beings that you might be guided to speak to because you agree to perceive that you do not already have everything that you need and that these organised, aged groups MUST be in a better position than you, simply because they 'have been around longer''.. tradition, dogma.. and so forth.
              there is great karma potential woven into these relationships, not least because of death.. anything that supports death IS karma.. and we need to be very precise and recognise the finer grains of what may at first appear subtle, depending on how much dogma and judgment you are maintaining.
              the very idea that a hierarchy of ANY kind can exist is karmicaly bonding, in that, for one.. the hierarchy can only exist while death exists..
              to be free of karma means to be free of death, to be free of hierarchy, to be free of 'leading', to be free of any recognition at all that 'funny hats' means 'knows more'.

              it is simply to know freedom and the natural you, to know who you are.

              where you are believing that there is a perfection to be reached, you are pushing away and denying your own perfection.
              where you are believing that somehow you are knowing more about karma than another being knows, you are maintaining karma.

              i can go on and on.. hopefully you see what i am pointing at. :)
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        Re: Dalai Lama’s Nazi Friends

        Fri, November 26, 2010 - 3:55 PM
        Hey Mick,
        It seems you DO like the Tibetan flavor so....... Just check the back of Gampopa's "jewel ornament of liberation" chapter 20, "The 32 major marks of a buddha" (meaning if you are ugly or have physical handicaps or born poor, or in a non-buddhist country it is only because of your bad karma and you are deserving and have to suffer to burn it off!)
        It sounds like whatever it is it could very easily be confused with nazi fascism and eugenics or could at least be quite comfortable side-by-side with it!!!
        All the nazis that were worth a shit were imported to USA and became puppets for the government for large paychecks just like his holiness! It is okay Mick, I was duped for awhile as well.
        While we talking about the old axis check out Dalai Lama's famous dead Japanese friend Shoko Asahara who Dalai Lama said was a "good friend" and represented him in Japan! Shoko Asahara was leader of a cult who ordered devotees to gas people to death in subways with sarin back in 1995!
        Dalai Lama slipped in front of a european film crew and said "Many people would be very willing to kill for me and my causes" when he was upset about Dorje Shugdon practitioners.
        What a lovely bodhisattva indeed. Political dictator is more fitting since his 50 year old "democratic" Tibet in exile never has had anyone else in charge or even a vote.
        ;-)
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          Re: Dalai Lama’s Nazi Friends

          Fri, November 26, 2010 - 3:58 PM
          Shoko Asahara is still alive I guess, I thought he was executed.
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            The Dalai Lama is a Nobel Peace Laureate who is loved and respected throughout much of the world.

            The Dalai Lama has never been a "Nazi", nor has he been in any way associated with any Nazi groupos. In fact he had a close personal encounter with a number of Jewish rabbis.
            See the book
            "Jew in the Lotus".

            The Dalai Lama wanted to find out from the rabbis how Jewish culture survived many severe challenges and crises over the centuries.
            The rabbis told him it was due to an emphasis on Jewish culture as home life.

            This settles the issue.

            KT
            • 1) Barack Obama also got the Nobel Peace prize and has ramped up the drone strike program and has killed many civilians with these drones and has also supported racist rebels in Libya who have mass murdered black Libyans and committed other atrocities. Nobel Peace prize does not have to mean much at all.

              2) Jewish supremacy can rival any and all Nazi-style supremacy mindset. If you doubt this, look up quotes from Jewish supremacists, many of whom have been in the leadership of Israel, including rabbis and political leaders.
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                The Dalai Lama was invited to speak in Israel, and he went.

                He was invited by the King of Jordan to go to Jordan to discuss Jewish Arab relations, and went there.

                More recently, he went to Turkey to field questions from college students there. I saw the video!

                And he went to Rio de Janeiro in 1992 to attend the UNCED / Rio Earth Summit.

                Politically, the Dalai Lama is humanitarian, a 3rd wave ecofeminist and a Rio Green.
                Those are all about respect and co-operation, not about aggression, destruction, and oppression.
                I have seen the Dalai Lama at conerences, and he listens and listens and listens, and makes sure he understands where the other person is at. He does not talk at people.

                Just so you know, it is very difficult to get a Nobel Peace Prize.
                As a humanitarian, a peace worker, and ecofeminist, the Dalai Lama earned that award several times over.
                As well as several others, such as the Templeton Prize and the Congressional Medal of Freedom.

                This world-travelling monk has 3 million Facebook friends, and is one of the most respected and loved human beings on the planet.
                And he sells tons of books. And these books are changing our western culture in profound ways, for the better.

                There have been false attacks ( straw man attacks and poisoning the well arguments ) against the Dalai Lama by several people on tribe.net, and these have all failed miserably. The reason is that I defended him, and continued to promote his work.
                I have promoted his outreach work on about seventy tribes from Europe through North America through to Hawaii and Australia.

                Those who hate or oppose great humanitarians, peace workers, freedom and democracy and the Buddhist teaching, can now all go home and cry. I have built many effective bridges of communication on tribe.net, and they will endure.

                No one deserves our support more than the Dalai Lama.
                Got it?

                'Nuff said!

                KT
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                  Re original post, top line:
                  ". . .'There's never been a Buddhist holy war!' . . . isn't really accurate. "

                  I checked out the history for a broad range of Asian Buddhist countries.

                  Haven't seen a specifically Buddhist war in one thousand years.

                  Compare that with Islam and Christianity.
                  In particular, check out the Muslim vs. Muslim wars, and the Christian vs. Christian wars, as well as the Christian vs. pagan crusades, and the Christian vs. Muslim wars.

                  Ever hear of Syria?
                  93,000 killed in just the last 2 years.

                  By comparison, the recent Burmese civil strife between Islamic and Buddhist communities claimed about 100 or so lives. And the Buddhists claim that the Muslims are foreign squatters, so technically they would not have rights to land and citizenship, much less killing a Buddhist monk and burning down a Buddhist temple.
                  These actions are rude, especially for guests and squatters.
                  They wre driven out, and that seems to prevent further such civil strife.
                  In other words, not an ongoing war.

                  Anyway, Imperial Japan in World War II was a Shinto .( native religion ) operation, not Buddhist per se.
                  No Buddhist country attacked Pearl Harbor.
                  You knew about that, right?
                  So what are you complaining about?

                  Never go full retard.

                  Thanks for playing!

                  KT
    • Re: Dalai Lama’s Nazi Friends

      Wed, December 11, 2013 - 4:36 PM
      Indeed these are undigested thoughts of an ill informed person, and the information is based on myths and rumours and an inability to understand and judge historic events correctly. It is rather a type of conspiracy theory what the post above is stating mixed with half-knowledge.

      1) Heinrich Harrer was a member of different Nazi organisations but out of opportunism for his career, he was not a committed Nazi. Prof Martin Brauen, who has access to all of Harrer's (unpublished) diaries states in his books "Dreamworld Tibet" that Harrer has not made any statement that shows him to side with the Nazi ideology. The Dalai Lama met him, when he was very young (for some months) and they just became friends. Harrer was never involved in any war crime, why should the Dalai Lama distance himself from him? Distancing from people is the way of politicians but not religious persons who commit to help everybody.
      2) From the Schäfer Tibet Expedition only Beger was a committed Nazi, the others had to join the SS otherwise they hadn’t got permission to do Schäfer’s research project that didn’t have occult but scientific purposes. At one occasion the Dalai Lama gave a speech in Switzerland and after it Beger approached the Dalai Lama and introduced himself to the Dalai Lama as a MEMBER OF THE TIBET EXPEDITION and not as a Nazi ;-) And then the Dalai Lama welcomed him and asked him to explain to the people how Tibet was at that time because he was one of the few eye witnesses. Later they met each other different times due to Beger’s effort but not out of a like of Nazi ideology on the side of the Dalai Lama. The Dalai Lama has had different meetings and prayers with Jews in Israel, he was praying on the mourning wall, and Tibetans participated in Jewish camps in Israel but never ever in any Nazi camp. It is only stupid to use some historic events to claim a Nazi Tibet Connection or a closeness to Nazi ideology totally out of context.

      There are two scientific accounts online that give a sober research on these matters:
      info-buddhism.com/Nazis-of-...hardt.html
      info-buddhism.com/Tibet-193...hardt.html

      The claims of the Nazi Tibet Connection are made by extreme leftists and right wing people. I couldn’t think of a man more distanced from the cruel, inhuman, uncompassionate and violent ideology of the Nazis than the Dalai Lama.

      Also the quote given at the end of the post should be seen more critically: 1) the Dalai Lama is known for his English that can be easily misunderstood. 2) Then there are the media who like to pick up sensationalist sentences to draw reader’s attention. 3) the Dalai Lama mainly wanted to point out that the Chinese were coming with a smiling face but did extremely cruel deeds to the Tibetans, while the Nazis were not hiding their real intentions so that everybody could understand how dangerous they are but this does not mean he symphasizes with the Nazis or wants to whitewash their cruelty. 4) The Dalai Lama tends to speak good even about bad people. He has even good words for Mao but he also adds some criticism but without pointing out he "was an evil man". This is just not the way of his type of bodhisattva mind.

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